Schneur Zalman of NY commenting to the
Modern Yeshiva � a Torah prohibition?
and
We would all be happier Jews posts:
If you read my comments carefully, nowhere do I urge the abandonment of Torah Shebaal Peh. On the contrary I urge daily shiurim in Gefes, Mishnayith, and Ein Yaakov for all. As well as Shiurim in Mishna Berurah or Shulchan Arukh Horav, The Yad of the Rambam and even study of the Shut literature and of the Tur Shulchan Aruch itself. This should take 3 hours daily be'erech. Beyond that time of 3 hours in my opinion we are in a losing cause in terms of the average American teenager and his attention span. I believe most psychologists and educators would back me up on this point too. We need to reach out and teach Nach, Siddur, Hashkofa, Parsha with Malbim and Ramban, and Musar in addition we need to teach 3-4 hours weekly of Jewish history and Toldos Gedole Israel. By the way study of Chumash and Nach with meforshim like Rashi, Ramban , Malbim, Abrabanel and others is considered Torah She Baal Peh as it is based on Midrashim literature and Medrash Agadda.
In Europe and in Lithuania most frum boys did not go to a yeshiva or cheder, etc. after age 12 or so they went to work, so the curriculum at the Yeshivoth was designed for the few Metzuyanim who went on to study until marriage or so, today all Orthodox kids spend at least 5-7 years in Yeshivoth after Bar Mitzvah.
I have seen hundreds of guys going to Yeshivos like Torah Vedas, RJJ, MTJ until age 18-19, etc. and knowing nothing (they can hardly make a brocha correctly) because all that was taught was Gemora and they as kids not interested in legal argumentation were taught nothing else. Perhaps our great Rebbes (teachers) could come up with a derech to show our teenagers that the Shakla Vetarye is the Word of GOD, not simple legal gymnastics and hair splitting but at the present outside of the Israeli Mamlachti Dati schools no one to my knowledge has even tried this method and its hard. In fact many of the greatest learners have probably forgotten the divine nature of their studies that why chassiduth came along as a reminder of what its all about!
Are any of my correspondents of this thread ready to assume the spiritual achrayus for the thousands of kids in our yeshivas Modern ,Centrist, Chassidic (including Chabad and Satmar) and American yeshivas who go through 6-7 years of post bar Mitzva schooling who are bright and smart but not into legal argumentation hence they learn zip about Yiddishkeit? At least our MO schools and the Chassidic schools make some accommodations for these kids but what of the main stream Yeshivos? So what if a bachur can not hack the Brisker shtei dinim or the like should he be doomed to waste his years in yeshiva? This same bachur would or could love studying Chumash with Ramban and Ibn Ezra and become the next great parshan of Orthodoxy or at least a great elementary school teacher! Or he could enjoy halacha lemaase and even become a good practical More Zedek or Shochet, or if creativity is his interest fields like chazzanus and safrut could be his game. I concede that I liked studying Nach, enjoyed Parsha, liked the Kittzur love Ein Yaakov (I loved Jewish history Toldos Gedole israel, Minhoge Israel, etc.) but I lose interest in shakla ve Taarya after an hour or so and I was like this when I was 13 too. I think there are many others like me in every generation. Cahanoch lenaar al pi darko!
Finally we are now entering a new era of Kiruv Kerovim. We all know that in all streams of orthodoxy we are losing hundreds of teens each year. The MO community is bleeding, the Yeshiva world is being hard it. The Chassidim are losing bachurim and Chabad is having serious issues in this area too, and then we cry and have asifos and all sorts of self proclaimed experts in Kiruv Kerovim are cropping up like mushrooms (most of whose credentials is years in a classical yeshiva studying Gemore with the inability to be a Rov or Ram and a two bit degree in counseling or pastoral counseling worth the same a Rav umaggid klaf is worth). Lets get real in order to keep our kids frum and proud we need to change the curriculum in many of our schools or at least offer an alternative program.
Even in Hungary there were Torah Veavoda schools in the 20th century.
Its an Eys Laasos therefore Heyfeyru Torasecho!
Yes we can feel proud and smug in Chadash Assur min haTorah, aha! We need to follow this derech of the gedolim or that derech with the shayne vertlech that go with it. And at the same time have hundreds fall away annually or we can be bold and be mechadesh bechol Yom Tamid, the Torah the Maase Breishith of our world. As I say the Torah is the Moreshet of all Kehillas Yaakov not just of the Shevet Levi and me thinks that was one of the boldest messages of the Baal Shem Tov and his disciples.
-Schneur